Atheists Are Prohibited From Holding Public Office in 8 US States.

Friday 22nd of October 2021

Atheists Are Prohibited From Holding Public Office in 8 US States.

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Enforcing it sounds like a pain in the ass.

Sodomy is punishable under the UCMJ.

Or to put it simply: Sodomy is legal in all 50 states. Being an atheist holding public office is legal in all 50 states. Period. Maps like this are of historical interest and have zero preset day implications.

Whats strange is that those states dont hold a simple vote revising their laws. Its not like it takes a debate.

Damn those old white people didnt understand the appeal of bussy.

True, but it's a good social barometer. I'll never understand why Pennsylvania isn't in the public consciousness the same way Alabama is. We're EASILY their equal in terms of pure hyper-conservatve extremism. Especially anywhere that isn't Harrisburg, Philadelphia, or Pittsburgh, which is basically ALL of the state.

Yet still hasn't been removed from the books.

Specifically Article VI, Clause 3.

Not enforced, either. Would be nice to remove the dead code that is "laws that obviously cannot be enforced.".

My understanding is that this would have been constitutional until the passage of the 14th amendment and the subsequent incorporation of the Bill of Rights. Prior to that, the Bill of Rights referred to what the national government could do, not the states. I would love for a constitutional lawyer to weigh in to tell me if I'm right or wrong.

Something something ***States Rights***.

Give it a few more years and a few more Republican SCOTUS nominations.

Just tell them you worship donald trump's ass as your lord and savior.

Man, this was hugely informative. Thanks for taking the time write this up. As someone who is an atheist and laughing about it, this stuff still shocks me.

Banning yugioh players from public office is actually a good idea though.

Thanks for doing all of that and posting it.

Its true that its kinda stupid to ask a religious oath from an atheist. So, how is it nowadays? Can public officers choose to take an oath of "honour" (a religion-free oath) instead of swearing on the bible?

The Buuuuuybuuuullllll.

Lmao that man was so stunned; completely shattered his reality.

Watching his face just blue screen gets me every time.

The "Merry Christmas" at the end \*chefs kiss\*.

Man, I didnt know that a person could be this stupid.

Or ]swearing on captain america sheild]().

He paused so hard that I thought the video froze.

Stunlocked and chain CC'd.

I just wish I was that news anchor. I would be like, "you're the person that makes our laws? You're the one that leads?" I would embarrass the fuck out of him even more. I would not stop.

His stupid big dumb face is priceless. Like a child who was just told in no circumstance what they did was unequivocally wrong and then chided.

This is so rich, delicious.

Its so funny.

I really feel it should be a rule to swear in by putting your hand on a copy of the constitution.

Oh, Alabama. Surprisingly not one of the 8 states though so there's that.

Just to be clear, they don't have to be enforced by police/courts to have a chilling effect. An atheist that might otherwise run for office may decide not to because they see it's illegal. Or even if they ran, the need to defend themselves from the law might turn public opinion against them. Being able to win in court *eventually* doesn't remove the very real costs of pursuing justice to that extent.

It doesn't really have to be enforced. Specifically here in the south, if you were to run and state that you're an atheist, there's no chance you'd ever be elected just based on popular sentiment, regardless of "legality".

I mean, there aren't really any atheist politicians anywhere. Its political suicide. Most we've gotten is "religion is not a huge factor in my life" basically. Its not just a handful of southern states.

Thank goodness.

This isn't true for any of the states, this is just a map of "dead laws that are still written down that everyone knows don't hold any power".

Yeah PA is always on this map despite the fact the actual law is that you can't be denied office because you are religious not that atheists are in any way barred (even if such laws were enforceable which obviously they arent).

PA really makes me proud sometimes.

You dont. the constitution says that religious literacy tests arent allowed for public office and so if a state did enforce it, it would certainly be struck down long before it would even reach the supreme court.

Its generally not.

Texas is working on it.

No need due to brain drain. Atheists look around and move someplace else first chance they get.

Honestly it should have been meaningless well before that decision (which was 9-0 - hardly a nail-biter), from back in 1787, when the Constitution was signed with this quite clear wording in Article VI, Clause 3: " religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Pretty shocking that the Maryland Court of Appeals made it an issue that had to go to the Supreme Court at all...

Kyrsten Sinema is the closest we have, as she is religiously unaffiliated. Every single other member of Congress openly belongs to a religion. Representation my ass.

Here in west suburban Chicago our House seat flipped and has only gotten more blue since Obama won in 08. Anyway, a girl I went to school with won a seat on our local park district board last year. She was out about her unbelief in middle school (a good 3 years before me). Ive remained confidently atheist for the last 22 years; I assume nothings changed for her either. She was always super outspoken and a natural leader, but never got on a power trip about it. Shes a mom now and her platform was pretty much just continuing to provide the same programs and activities she enjoyed growing up here, with increased access through sliding scale fees, etc. Tbh anyone who takes issue with that is trash.

This seems like one of those laws where its never enforced but still on the books and there hasnt been a lawsuit to change it yet.

You just have to believe in a supreme being whether its God or whoever.

But the NYT article cited in the source says that the Supreme Court overruled all of this in 1961. So atheists are not actually prohibited from holding office in these states.

The laws technically exist, but they cant be enforced because the federal government overrides the state laws. There are plenty of old state laws where its easier to simply ignore them rather than get rid of them altogether.

This. They may have it in the state constitution or whatever but that doesnt mean its actually enforced.

Upvoted ya. Better?

Sources vary, some say 7 some say 8.

Yes, and the supreme court has ruled as such. These laws, while still on the books, are unenforceable. Doesn't stop some asshat from trying to enforce them or at least agitate about them every once in a while, though.

Separation of church and state is a myth, however, these laws are just words on paper and wont ever be enforced. theres no way for these states to genuinely enforce these laws. its kinda like how florida law forbids unmarried women from skydiving on sundays.

It's not enforced, but it's still telling about the American electorate. Atheists are among the least trusted groups of politicians... which is hilarious to me because who the fuck would trust our current politicians over some atheist?

Oh come on now, you can't compare a third world shithole to Afghanistan.

Ah yes atheists are such a poor marginalized minority in the US, won't someone stand up for them! Its basically the taliban up in here!!

Its mostly old laws that arent enforced but havent been taken off the books because its redundant. Atheists can hold office in these states without issue.

"Literally a shithole because it has an unenforced law in 8 states!".

Something something not actually in the constitution.

It isn't. The courts can't force legislatures to remove the laws from the books, but they can prevent them from being enforced. ]Torcaso v Watkins (1961)]().

Ah yes, because being christian equates to not believing in facts/science. Have you even seen the amount of catholic priests that were preeminent mathematicians, physics, chemists, doctors, and men of science in general? Your asinine hatred is based on nothing at all, you brainless bumbling buffoon.

What kind of dystopian nightmare country prevents ~80% of its population from holding public office?

Only allow Muslims. May Allah praise you brother.

The US is a living hell hole that combines theocracy and market radicalism. It's no wonder that US citizens are so violent and unhappy.

These aren't eneforced. basicaly when ever laws get ruled unocnsutinal people stop endforicing them but forget to repeal them.

It was added in the 1950s.

They're both equally real.

Someone interested in challenging these provisions: ]\_v.\_Campbell]() >In 1992, Herb Silverman was a mathematics professor at the College of Charleston who applied to become a notary public. Silverman is an atheist who had earlier run for the post of Governor of South Carolina.\]3\] His application was rejected after he crossed off the phrase "So help me God" from the oath, which was required by the South Carolina State Constitution.

If you dont capitalize Bushes she becomes a much more interesting candidate.

There is actually no requirement to swear on any religious script. Several Presidents did not use a Bible to swear in and JQ Adams used a book of law. Also, Article VI, clause 3 prohibits religious tests, so the states rules are unenforceable anyway.

Most atheists don't have an issue swearing on a religious text...

Bingo. It's mostly just virtue signaling. Politicians often tout christian affiliation having never opened the Bible in their lives.

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